Models: Attract Women Through Honesty

This book gave me a lot of insight into what women really want. The only problem I had was it had so much information. When I needed to go back and touch up on something in the book, I couldn't remember whee it was. In this regard I found that the book How you too can get pussy: by giving her what she wants had the same info in a tighter package.

I gave 5 star because the author really knows what he is talking about!
It seems he has gone through all the interaction process felt them and understand them on the deepest level!
I recommend this book to guys who looking for a real solution!

First of, I gave it 4/5 stars not because the book was bad, but because it could have been edited better. Second, if you're reading this book don't feel bad. Reading this will only make you a better person. Not " oh since I read this book I know more than other people", but " since I read this book I know what I can improve upon". If anything, reading this book will give you at least an idea of what to be on the lookout for. It also gives you little challenges here and there, and the author also provides example from his life as well as mock scenarios. Overall, it's a good book.

I'd been active in the self-improvement and seduction communities for two years before I read this book. I had read all the major books, read and commented in a pretty good seduction forum, and regularly read the blog of my favorite RSD instructor. And still, this book taught me more about seduction than anything else.

Mark Manson's method is amazing. Most theory is about hiding your intentions, demonstrating your value and fun. But that can get complicated and effort-intensive. Mark is all about complete honesty and direct action; tell a girl you think she's pretty, and don't be afraid of telling her your flaws and insecurities. I've had more success and more fun with girls in the six months since I read "Models" than in the two years before that.

Oh yeah, and there's more chapters about self-actualization, living your ideal life, and pursuing the women that best fit yourself and your life; as opposed to trying to attract women in general, or the "generic women."

Cannot recommend this book highly enough, and I also highly, highly recommend checking out his blog, postmasculine.com

Mark zigs where other men's help authors zag. It's this new and different approach to dating advice that I enjoyed most in Models. I've been a fan of his blog for several years and if you've read it before this, you're in for more of the same well thought out statements and advice backed by research studies.

He also infuses his own experiences, which makes you realize we all have our own ups and downs. I've already started putting his advice into practice and feeling the difference.

Only half way in, I decided to come here and rate this book 5 stars. It resonates with me a lot, and makes it really clear to me why I had those "problems" with girls and provide definite, specific ways to improve it. The point of view of this books is indeed different than other books in the same topic, which is based on vulnerability, and it's a great point.
I'm sure this book can help me a lot even though I'm only half way through. Highly recommended.
P.S. The current edition is the 2nd edition came out in 2016, so the grammar and length problems mentioned in other comment is already corrected.
Thanks Mark.

Only half way in, I decided to come here and rate this book 5 stars. It resonates with me a lot, and makes it really clear to me why I had those "problems" with girls and provide definite, specific ways to improve it. The point of view of this books is indeed different than other books in the same topic, which is based on vulnerability, and it's a great point.
I'm sure this book can help me a lot even though I'm only half way through. Highly recommended.
P.S. The current edition is the 2nd edition came out in 2016, so the grammar and length problems mentioned in other comment is already corrected.
Thanks Mark.

iv read a couple books on relationships. nut as far as getting women this covers everything from inner game to aproach anxiety. he has really good views on rejection and these are the things i needed most help on. he does shit on other pick up ideas but he does have alot of good advice. and it seems as if his goal was to make the reader a better human being. if you feel like your having issues with dating id highly recommend this.

Mark Manson's "Models" book is a great read for anybody who wants to improve their dating life. Whether you're inexperienced with women, or you want to work on any anxieties you may have, or in a committed relationship, this book covers all areas from meeting a women you're attracted to to keeping and sustaining a loving relationship. I have read this twice now in two months because I love this book so much. This book has helped me with accepting my flaws and insecurities and instead trying to cover them up to embrace them and use them to my advantage. This books will make you look at not only the dating world in a new light, but all aspects of your life. Mark's book is thought provoking while sprinkled with humor through out the pages. Highly recommended to every man out there.

Great Book! Brutally honest! Not a typical performance based pick up line book, but a book on how to be a classy gentlemen who isn't afraid to express himself. Mark Manson switches the shift of being obsessed about what others think of you to wondering if you will actually like her. He gets to the nitty gritty of your anxieties and fears of meeting women and actually addresses the issues at the heart.

Models:Attract women through honesty is a comprehensive and to the point guide on dating and also life in general. Manson explains that true attraction isn't a game or skill set to be learned but a mindset and lifestyle to strive for. Obtaining this mindset and lifestyle are the goals of the man who is seeking to improve himself therefore improve his connection and attraction with women. This is not easily done and requires and honest look at oneself and ones intentions.

Models gives an introductory education into these ideas and an awareness into where we may need to look deeper into ourselves if we are to become more authentic and thus create more attraction. Models gives helpful advice on how to dress, how to hold interesting conversations, become more interesting, how and where to take girls on dates and a great chapter on the dating process and escalating with women. Seriously useful information.

However, Models does not give a detailed structured program that is comprehensive, for that you will need to go the website and buy a subscription to Manson's online programs. The website programs do not have a listed price and unfortunately after a few attempts at obtaining the price via the email link on his website Mr Manson has failed to respond, which I found disappointing.

That is not to say the book isn't a useful guide, only that some of us may need more work and that will require more information. If you can't afford the online programs then the next best thing in my opinion is to read books on subjects that will increase your education on lifestyle improvements. Most books can be borrowed from a library so the costs are are minimal.

I will provide a list of a few of the resources that have helped me to recreate my life over the last few years and hopefully they can help you to.

1. Awaken The Giant Within - Tony Robbins (Understand what drives us to act and what thinking patterns inhibit our happiness and success)

2. Non-violent Communication - Marshall B Rosenberg (Improves our integrity and compassion and fosters true connection through communication)

3. No More Mr Nice Guy - Dr Robert Glover (Also recommended by Mark Manson as a fundamental resource)

4. The Way of the Superior Man - David Deida (Also recommended by Mark Manson)

5. The Art of Manliness - ( a man's guide to understanding manners and etiquette in the modern era)

6.12 Step recovery groups and Mens Groups. ( A powerful and safe way to discover more about yourself)

7. Therapists and Counsellors. (Self - explanatory)

Well that is my review i hope it was helpful.
This is my first ever review and i would like to hear if was helpful or where it could be improved.

Good luck on the journey to becoming an attractive man, God and woman know the world needs more of us.

What I liked most was how similar our views were, yet how far off I had been in articulating these concepts in my life, and finally closing the gap. It all happened as I happened upon a shared article (about empathy) on FB by an acquaintance. I had read & enjoyed Mark's writings before but didn't even know he had written a book. Those who have undiscovered needs and are capable of being honest with themselves are best attuned to taking advantage of reading this book -- maintaining an openness to the unbidden...a gift of the divine.

ERRORS

This book is very good. I have 1 minor complaint. This has to do with the grammatical errors, some of which diminish the clarity of the ideas presented. I have the 2011 edition. I normally get annoyed when I see errors on every page; however, the author here presents concepts which are so enlightening that I still give the book 5 stars. I guess he just couldn't afford a proofreader. Sometimes a word has vanished from a sentence, but you can always figure out what the author was trying to convey. Other times the sentence structure is a bit stilted, or an infinitive is split (in the worst way possible...the way in which it really makes the meaning foggy). Even I don't always subscribe to the 'split infinitive' rule (because it's only logical in the Latin language, it's an English rule for the sake of tradition, not logic), but this author seems to have learned the rule backwards, and it sometimes significantly alters his point. He also put the word "only" in the wrong place in one sentence (I think toward the end of ch. 4 or the start of ch. 5). In this case, if read literally it changes the meaning of the sentence, but most readers will probably understand what the author meant, given the context.

BEING CONFIDENT and APPEARING CONFIDENT

So far I've only discussed the errors in the book. Truly though, the structure of the book, overall, is far superior to other books in this genre. Most books give you tactic after disjointed tactic, technique after technique, with some theory here and there, sometimes keeping to a general theme. For example, they'll give you one neat trick, and that will remind them of another neat maneuver they discovered on the sidewalk yesterday, etc. This books seems to have a good understanding of both, while maintaining that you DO need to work on inner AND outer game. It IS possible to be confident without appearing confident. It's even more indisputable to appear incompetent while in fact being competent. That's a problem.

DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE ANYONE HAVE SUCCESS USING "XYZ" METHOD

What if you feel on top of the world, but your voice is shaky and brittle? That's an example of having inner game without outer game. A better example would probably be the guy who is well-meaning, and even confident and charming, but has internalized the role of supplicant, so he believes he is supposed to buy flowers, call on such and such day, deliver compliments. Depending on his lifestyle, fashion, looks, and general appeal, attractive women may overlook these mistakes. This gentlemen may believe strongly that his methods (buying flowers, dinners, etc.) work like gangbusters. However, he succeeds in spite of his methods. Women like him for other reasons. One woman likes him not because of any method he can reliably count on, but simply because he reminds her of her ex! A couple more women reject him simply because he reminds her of her ex!

You can probably already identify with that assertion, that it is possible to be competent and wonderful while appearing incompetent and appearing sub par. For example, women sometimes get attached to a certain man after knowing him for a couple months, but this is not true after one date with him. One explanation for this is because he may at first seem undesirable and incompetent at first, but after a couple months, they often think he's more intriguing than anyone they've met.

BE CONFIDENT: not needy

If I had to sum up the book in two words, I would say, "Don't be needy." Everyone acknowledges the role of confidence in attracting women. Confidence not only motivates a man to take charge and initiate, which must happen for you to have dramatic improvement with women. You MUST acknowledge this truth. Do not resent it. Just accept the fact that the attractive women are not going to stop what they're doing, walk up to you, and say, "Hi, what's your name?" That's your burden. But confidence is also inherently attractive to women. That's why this author discusses neediness, which is the opposite of confidence.

This book provides a strong foundation in being a better dater and lover. Mark Manson provides a well researched and structured guide on improving your attractiveness through critical self-reflection and acceptance. He deviates from other earlier PUA guides (The Game) in advocating honesty and long term relationships as opposed to deceptive pickup lines and short term hookups (Athough, he is mot against short term hookups). Great read, if you dont ascribe to the "Red Pill" idea of seduction.

One of the best self-help books I've ever read, especially among those written for men. I'm married, and the book is really written for single guys, but I read it in hopes of upping my "married game" - that is, to improve myself to reclaim my wife's previous attraction to me it's too early to see results from her, but I certainly already feel more confident and less needy than I did before reading this book, and I know this will translate into new success.

Wow. Totally unexpectedly great. It's one part female psychology one part inner game. It's the only attraction how-to book that I would recommend to any guy - this coming from a guy who's been reading these types of books for 10 years.

This book is one of the best books I have ever read about this subject. It explains how to truly attract women by building a solid emotion foundation without the gimmicks like other books in this genre. If you are looking for a quick fix, this book is not for you. By following the advice in this book, you will have better quality relationships.

Excellent Book.

Mark is a fantastic writer and solid thinker. He breaks everything down into it's basic components so it's simple to understand.

It's all realistic and practical. No 'magic bullets' or pickup lines to be found. Just a solid map and a ton of simple, practical, workable advice for becoming a more attractive man.

I first heard of Mark Manson through his blog, and liking what I was reading I decided I would invest in his book. It's been a little while since I last dated; after the ending of my last relationship I decided to take some time to myself for self-improvement, and growth. So this book seemed like a good start to getting back into the dating world. Mark Manson wrote this book with three core principles, and other tips for success with women. Let's begin.

The Good

Mark Manson has three core principles to his book; they are as follows

Honest living-This can be broken down as being true to yourself, standing up for what you believe in, and living the type of life you'd like to live without excuses. In terms of women; Mark would argue that if you see a beautiful girl you're attracted to, and would like to know then you're being dishonest with yourself if you don't approach.

Honest action-This is the part where you approach the women honestly. Mark Manson claims to be a former PUA, and from here jettisons all those ideas. The best approach is the most simple "Hi my name is X, I saw you from across the room, thought you were very beautiful, and wanted to talk" no games, no pick-up lines. Just being yourself

Honest-communication-Here Manson talks about the importance of displaying vulnerability while you're talking to girls in order to create a connection.

Obviously he spends many pages detailing these three principals in a more elegant way than I did. Mark does a very good job of conveying why honesty is really you're best policy, and most importantly why you should embrace rejection. He claims girls fall into three categories; girls who are interested in you, girls who are neutral towards you, and girls who are uninterested. He goes on in length how to identify and categorize these girls so you're not wasting time on the uninterested, and you have the best possible chance of swaying the neutral girls to interested.

One of the best parts of the book is Manson's own confidence in himself. It's somewhat infectious, and if you're like me you'll find yourself nodding along in agreement, constantly thinking 'this makes sense'. Manson shares a lot of personal stories that make the book feel a bit more intimate, and Manson easier to relate to.

Manson also details the importance of eye contact, dressing well, and taking care of yourself. All pretty obvious stuff, but it may be helpful for those less experienced. Especially the part about eye contact which he goes into at length explaining the various forms.

The Bad

So while this book offered a lot of good advice in the first half it starts to fall apart for me by the end. For one thing while I like that Manson shares his own personal stories; they are all just antidotes, and Manson uses these stories to paint a very broad picture of the behavior of women, and how men need to act in order to be successful with them. I'm not saying Manson is wrong, I'm saying none of this is concrete, and despite his claims the science really isn't there. Not enough to support him anyway.

Towards the end of the book Manson take his a ideas a step further and goes into a how-to guide, for dates, initiating physical contact, and even sex. I'm not sure if Manson expects a lot of virgins to read his book, but by the end it felt sort of condescending. This is also the first book I've ever read with a "side note on rape' right in the middle of it.

Reading Manson repeat how he's bedded over 100 women, and kissed well over 300 begins to take it's toll, and I feel like I'm reading the words of a sociopath. Manson seems to feel strongly you should be having sex with women on the first date, and while he doesn't outright say it; he implies you've failed if you don't have them in bed by the end of the second date. Manson goes into to detail about how the power balance shifts after sex from the women to the man, and it's at this point the man can dictate the type of relationship he wants from her. Whether that's commitment, casual lovers, or you just want to go you're separate ways. Regardless of the women's feelings. It's not wrong though because you're being honest, and you never explicitly said from the start you wanted something serious. It's at this point I feel like Manson has gone back to his PUA roots.

I understand it's important to be confident, and feel comfortable approaching any women, but is bedding hundreds of women really something we should all be striving for? The book seems to imply women, dating, and the act of sex are the three most important things in the world. Granted, this is a self-help book for dating, but there is nothing about commitment or maintaining a relationship. At the end of the book he issues challenges from his reader. Approaching 5 girls a day, kissing a girl within 30mins of meeting her, having sex with 3 girls on the first date, etc etc. All these challenges seem very arbitrary, and not necessarily conducive to your personal happiness.

Mark Manson claims women have thanked him for asking them out even when they had to reject him; have offered him friends because of his approach, and that girls who have been with him for a night claimed to have more fulfillment for relationships that spanned years. I don't know if any of that is true or not. It seems outlandish, especially when you Google someone like Erika Awakening(very disgruntled ex girlfriend of Mark's) but who knows, maybe he is being honest, and maybe I'm overall skeptical.

Overall

If you're someone who really feels down on their luck with women I suggest giving this book a read. Mark can be very motivational, and maybe taking in his words will inspire you to action. Most of the info in this book is pretty common sense, and can be found for free online. I would recommend reading his blog first, as a lot of the information in this book is available there. I feel a strong contrast between the Mark Manson who wrote this book, and the one who writes his blogs; as they are about making the most out of life with or without women.

Really I wish everyone reading this book luck. We all want to be confident, empowered, and good with women. But I feel like pursing anything for the sake of happiness is misleading, and we could all do better to remember that for most of us, we have everything we need to be happy.

This book makes so much sense. It essentially advocates the fact that if you are honest with yourself, become a integrated male and live an interesting life, attracting women is not going to be hard. You just need to be honest with yourself and her about your intentions of wanting to talk to her. You don't need any pickup lines.

Excellent book that tells you what you don't want to hear, that you actually have to become a more attractive man. Fortunately, the author makes a number of good points showing that it isn't nearly as impossible as you might expect.

More profound and encompassing than a "pick-up" book. Just read the subtitle. Manson has a great, unique point of view and a ton of life changing, tactical information. In a post-feminist, post Vietnam, post industrial America, this book is a godsend. Read with "Iron John" and "No More Mr Nice Guy"

I've read quite a lot of dating and attraction advice for men, but this book resonated with me like nothing else. Very high-level approach to attraction, no tricks or gimmicks. It's just good, honest advice for guys who want to become the best they can be and attract amazing women into their lives, not settle for shallow relationships with trophy girlfriends.

Be forewarned though: reading this book will not change your life. Doing what Manson advises will. At the end of the book he lists out practical things you can do to start living like the legendary man you were born to be.

It's an interesting book that is straight forward and different from a lot of other books about "gaming." I liked it a lot. Some of the tips are for men that have no communication skills, but besides that there are many very good points throughout. Highly recommend.

This is a masterful book that shapes your thoughts and attitudes so that desired behaviors and habits can follow suit. The structure is very well thought out, the content is the best I've read in the genre, and the impact factor is enormous. Highly recommended for any man who wishes to embark on the path of self-mastery!

The author explains the dynamics of attraction between women and men. Thankfully, he doesn't focus on sleazy superficial pickup tactics, instead he gets to the heart of attraction, in a mature way. The title includes the word "Models" which is actually models of thinking.

I really loved this book. The author is a heck of a nice guy, too. He focuses on truly helping guys become men - the kind of men that women want. It isn't just about picking up women. No, that's too juvenile. He seeks to improve men's chances of attracting quality women by improving mens' overall lives. This is one of the best books I've read on self improvement. I would give it 10 stars if I could.

I really loved this book. The author is a heck of a nice guy, too. He focuses on truly helping guys become men - the kind of men that women want. It isn't just about picking up women. No, that's too juvenile. He seeks to improve men's chances of attracting quality women by improving mens' overall lives. This is one of the best books I've read on self improvement. I would give it 10 stars if I could.

Finished this book quickly and although in a relationship I see a lot of topics in the book in reality the past few months with my girlfriend. I feel it will ultimately help strengthen our relationship and help us grow.

Hey guys!

This book is the next level advice compared to anything that is out there right now.

I started reading it about a month ago and implementing the advice. Looking back at the last month, what I can see is a massive growth.

- Instead of trying to impress or seduce every woman I first check if she is interested. If not, I move on right away. This saves lots and lots of mental and emotional energy.
- I have given myself permission to say what I want to say. It is very liberating.
- I rapidly progress to ask a woman if she is single. I check if she is open to having sex. Again, it is liberating, it saves me time, it is fun!
- Yesterday I read a chapter about the bullshit that we tell ourselves when we see an opportunity to talk to a good looking woman. Later during the day I saw a woman on a street and I noticed that feeling even before it formed into the thoughts of bullshit. I talked to that woman and we ended up having a coffee together. Life is good.

I am the person who likes being out in the field. My biggest mistake so far is being stuck for too long with a piece of advice, trying to get results when the advice is obviously not working. Hopefully the experience I've had with this book will teach me the lesson: Always be learning!

Get this book, read it, implement it.

I bought this because I've seen it recommended on a YouTube video, and I kept seeing it being referred to elsewhere.

On the back cover, it has a quote saying that this is the only book you'll ever need. I don't totally agree with that. I've read, The Manual: What Women Want and How to Give it to Them, which I also found helpful, especially the chapter about Responsibility. I also felt Ignore and Score was good. My point is, I don't believe this one book will ever be a one stop shop. No book ever is, regardless of the subject, necessarily.

The book goes to deep lengths to talk about NEEDINESS. The scariest word in the dictionary when it comes to dating. You know that feeling where you want to talk to a lady, and the first thought that goes through your mind is, "how do I suppress my awkwardness as to not make it obvious that I'm afraid?" When I want to approach a lady, the thoughts that cross my mind are like the following:

What can I say to her in order to prevent the "he wants me in bed" alarm/alert from going off??

How do I act as convincing as possible that the reason I'm asking for her number is so that we can study, when the truth is I want to take her on a romantic date?

My point is, when I ask for her number, or speak to a woman who I'm interested in, in general, I always have heart pounding fears about her realising how badly I want her, and how much I'm hoping she won't reject me. But, according to the author, if you even so much as FEEL any of those ways, the reason is because you are needy. And essentially, if you're needy, according to the author, there is no effective long term way around it. Unless you CORRECT your neediness, it will be a very substantial problem. And most of the book talks about ways to reduce neediness. It discusses ways to improve you're looks, by going to a gym and buying clothes, by grooming and being clean, and psychological techniques to improve communication skills, and tools to help you stop judging women as being a slut, even thought we sometimes automatically assume it to be the case.

Another part I wanted to point out was where the title suggests attracting women with honesty. The title is very misleading, I feel, because the title makes it seem as if the author is recommending that honesty is a "good path" to take when trying to attract women. However, while reading the book, you will see that Mark Manson has a totally different reason. He states that no matter how hard you try to hide your intentions (being dishonest), it's essentially not possible. He's not asking you to attract women through honesty; he's telling you that you blatantly have no choice. He's basically telling you that no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try to cover up feeling needy, they will know exactly what you're up to.

And another part about the book that conflicts with a moral taught in The Manual (the other book I read), The Manual speaks of Resistence versus Rejection.It explains how even if it looks like you're being rejected, she may just be resisting, which still leaves the door opened up to future possibilities. With Models, however, Mark Mason strongly suggests that THE MOMENT you see that she's not interested, you should move on ASAP. Although, of course, there's a chapter that talks about "Polarisation," where the author shows you how to DETECT if she's interested, but he still sticks to the same idea; if they are not interested, move ON!

The whole moral of the story of this book is, neediness is your biggest problem, and it must be taken care of no matter WHAT. And, you CANNOT hide neediness. And, if they're not interested, there's no point in changing her mind. Either she likes you, or she don't. Period!

Another point I wanted to point out was about being honest about your attraction, and being needy. He used an example about her phone ringing and getting gag reflex. I can relate to that feeling. Sometimes your boss might call you, and the moment you see the caller ID, you feel like throwing up. So, if that's the feeling some of these girls feel when you try calling them, I can understand the author's prospective on moving on. However, I also feel somewhat skeptical about it too.

Yes there are plenty of times in our lives when we feel awkward, or uncomfortable when the phone rings or we get a text. But I also get that gag reflex when my alarm goes off in the morning, or when I have a presentation to do. There are lots of events in our lives that give us gag reflex. However, according to the famous scientist, Pavlov, we are CONDITIONED to these reactions through learned behaviour. If for example, a girl were to find out that you were actually a much nicer guy then all the others ringing her phone, she would no longer get gag reflex. It's all about psychology; and I don't believe it's always the appropriate thing to move on right away, depends.

Also, I find the author to be somewhat hypocritical, because he states that most women will not find you attractive, and the expectation that they do is only an illusion. However, later in the book he continued to state that he himself had indeed slept with hundreds of women, which I feel is inconsistent with what he said earlier. Either he thinks he's way more attractive than the average reader of his book, or I misinterpreted his meaning when he said "most women" won't find you attractive.

I'm happy I read it, because I wanted to read this book for awhile, but I never came around to doing so until now. I never fully agree with any author 100% in any book I read, so I'm not totally agreeing or disagreeing with everything in this book. After reading this, I feel it was very interesting. There's lots and lots of other very valuable dating lessons and advice in here that overwhelmed me in a positive way. I wanted to re-read it from the beginning in order to highlight all the key points so that I could write a much more thorough review to help readers decide on whether to purchase this, but instead of being a perfectionist, I'll just leave this like it is and move on to new books. The next one I plan to read is, The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships. But for the time being, I feel you will enjoy reading Models Attract Women Through Honesty by Mark Manson. You will learn plenty of valuable tips from this book.

I almost forgot to add, there are chapters dedicated to improving your appearance. It specifically stated to go in your closet and throw out everything in the garbage that doesn't fit you. I literally trashed three garbage bags of old, raggy, hand me down trash that's been laying dormant in my closet. I have been trying very hard to improve my attire, and I thank the author for enlightening me with the idea.

Short and sweet review. Read this shit! I never write reviews but Mark Manson's Models is an all in one package. I've went from being a virgin to sleeping with over 30 women who were mostly all WAY above average in 2 1/2 years by hard work and finding mentors like Mark.. Not bragging anyone can do it but this book is the one stop shop that will get you there. I've been doing this everyday for almost 3 years and learned so much from reading this book it's ridiculous. What I learned in this book I had spent thousands of dollars reading dozens of other books and buying expensive products to get. This book is for sure an OUTLIER in the dating and seduction,self improvement field. One of the top 5 books I have ever read. Read this book once a month and take lots of notes. There is many secrets you will pull from it after reading it dozens of times.

Reading this book is like talking to a friendly mentor who has experienced the ins and outs of the dating world. I feel like a healthier person with a more realistic outlook on life and dating because of it. It dispels a lot of exaggerations and misconceptions from typical "pua" material, and gets at the core of many issues men have with dating. If you were to read only one book on dating and attraction, I would recommend you pick this one up.

Really isn't anything in here that's more substantial than other dime a dozen self help books. A lot vague and general ideas on what to do with little in the way of substance. Do you know how to wear nice clothes and go to the gym? Then you've basically got all the concrete advice that's offered here.

This book does not provide any mind blowing logic that will change you over night. Really its quite the opposite. The author tells you what you need to hear and what will work and often does it in a very entertaining way. It's kind of like Dale Carnegie books. You read them going "well duh...of course that's what I should do." But do you actually do what he says? Chances are you're not. Probably because you're too lazy or because you're more likely to spend your time studying some ridiculous concept which in the PUA world would be "negging, cat-string theory, or routine stacks" instead of trying a simple plan and focusing on changing your mindset and life.

While the author was at one time a coach for a Pick-Up Artist company he appears to have severed any ties with the industry after finding that its key concepts and ideas are more likely to hurt your social and dating life than help it. I couldn't agree more. I am now 29 years old and started reading PUA related material about six years ago. I really don't have anything to show for it. If anything it made me more neurotic and wierd. And I've been told that I'm a really good looking guy by the women in my life! Had I spent the last six years just doing what the author says I would be living a much healthier and happier life.

Okay, now for the things I didn't like. The version I bought had a lot spelling or wording errors. It wasn't enough to get super annoying but there were enough errors to be noticeable which isn't a good thing. Some chapters are too long and repetitive and cause the point he's trying to make to be blurred. I checked out his web-site and appears that he updated the book to fix these problems. It looks like the store is selling this new version so hopefully new readers won't have these issues. I may even buy the new version just to have which tells you how much I liked this book!

Hope this review helps anyone who is interested. I really think this book by itself, if you make an honest effort to implement its advice in your life will help you much more than anything Mystery, Neil Strauss, or Love Systems could do for you.

I agree with most who say its a very good book . It hit home with me on several points . My only issue is that there is so many spelling mistakes and or wrong words/ words left out etc. Someone did a very poor job of proof reading this edition. Some times you have to go back and re read parts to figure out what he was trying to say because of left out or misplaced words.

I've literally slept with hundreds of women. I'm pretty good at it, but also the fact that I'm in my early 40s and have mostly been single helps the numbers. I've read most of the "game" books, and prior to this, I'd say that Savoy's "Magic Bullets" was the best on the market. While I have read all of those books, I never took them entirely to heart. I recognized in them what I was doing right but didn't make a serious attempt to adopt their methods. Something seemed to be lacking and I do okay for myself. This is the book that gets it right. I recommend it for anyone interested in the field. It's not about being a "pick up artist"; it's about being a high quality man who leads a high quality life, who has quality relationships. Invest the money, immerse yourself in what Mister Manson has to say. Reap the rewards.

Here's my opinion, take it for what it's worth... I would recommend this book based on my experience, and I think it is great for beginners to intermediate.

** Warning this is a long review, apologies for the typos, grammar, no apologies for this being a personal opinion **

I found this book after a long journey. And it could have saved me some time. And money.

I've taken two separate workshops with two 'pickup industry veterans', one was known as Juggler, the other to remain unnamed. Both were good, from a general view as they forced me (or rather, I forced myself) to re-acquaint myself with who I was, and what kind of values I held, and made me a little more skilled at attracting the other sex. These were better than reading books. But if you only had to get a book, then this is the book I would recommend.

This was my journey, and I think it's normal ...

1. When you're in your early (I said twenties but really, any age really), and have 'no clue', or rather, 'think you have a clue' ("but really have no clue") one might start trying to solve their situation by turning to friends, female friends, relatives etc.
2. In this day and age, being a man who can't get laid regularly seems to be something no seemingly happy male wants to admit to, like depression, or mental illness etc.
3. The place that most young (or not so young) males then look (naturally), is the Internet. Problem is ... on the Internet, anyone can be an expert. In fact, some of the stuff, (and you'll be looking at the free and pirated stuff first) is definitely tacky, crappy, and at worst, sometimes misogynistic, sexist, psychopathic ....
4. Guys 'learn' this new way, which results in 'results' that are false-positives. I.e. People confuse 'tactics' and 'routines' and whatever psycho-babble for being responsible for the results they are getting, when really, most are getting results from just getting out more and making an effort to meet girls. This gets tiring. And in retrospect, is embarrassing ... it's like being able to start a car, find yourself on a freeway ... and then crash because you don't know how to merge into her 'ok, you look ok, and are kind of funny/interesting/intriguing/ what are you really about? I'll let you know me if you share something of substance (that's not about Elvis's blue hair, or who lies more etc). i am exaggerating here, but it's true ....
5. If you are tired of the above, enter phase two. You bother to pony up and pay for a workshop, especially with a good 'guru', then chances are you will actually get better results. Hell you'd better, know how much it costs to see Wayne Elise for a weekend? As the teacher will be able to guide you, calibrate you, correct you, and provide feedback. Also, a lot of teachers are a lot more 'natural' in their processes, than they would have you believe from reading all their manuals which in some cases are hilariously convoluted ... (By the way, Wayne is great)
6. This is not to say these models are not useful, it's just ... it's not a wholesome understanding living in theory land.
7. After you do a workshop or two, you'll definitely have results ... if only for ... 'I cannot believe I paid this much money, I MUST achieve results, and this SEEMS to be the way, I will definitely APPLY these skills...' And those skills will be useful. But do not forget that by now you are experienced, you have a skillset (no matter what doctrine, or method, or philosophy), some measure of confidence ... and real motivation!
8. Hopefully, A few girlfriends later, you'll be a bit more experienced, and wonder ... I wonder if I could have avoided such an expensive route?

or

I would like to keep a refresher on the concepts I learnt at these bootcamps, but studying notes are a bit dorkish, and I'd like an enjoyable read from someone that seems to know what they are talking about (and you may be able to tell now, with more experience under your belt) that might give me some more insight ... and preferably someone that I would like to imagine I would like as a person, if I ever met them.

This is that book I have been looking for - and one I would recommend to a younger nephew looking to 'get in', or to an beginner to intermediate guy like me.

Now that I've matured into seeing the process as something more than 'a game', I was after a refresher. Something that wasn't too serious, and something that wasn't immature.

Enter 'Models', which seems a strange title. I heard about it on a seduction forum, knew the guy had a blog, liked his writing, had a look, ordered it ... I really liked this book, as the author seems a genuine level headed guy who likes to meet women, is good at it, and seems to genuinely like, and appreciate women - without bitterness or cynicism.

I like that It's well laid out in terms of the progression of topics, the author is a good enough writer (I though he was very good actually, in distilling some quite complicated concepts), it's not too short, and he writes with some good backstories, woven into some firm recommendations for putting together your own dating action plan. Which like all good attraction books, makes it a workbook as well as a textbook.

Criticisms that this book suffers from grammar or typos probably arise from the fact this book looks like it was put together by a one-man band in Word. In response, I would point out that I enjoyed the book, and with time, I trust/hope he'll make revisions to keep improving it. In a way, I could have avoided one of my 'bootcamps' had this book been out then, and had I applied the suggestions recommended within.

Postscript, and a little about me: I was at University at the time I took these bootcamps cited above, eager to sort out my dating life, took a while afterwards but it worked ... had my first gf, she being a your medical graduate, then another Dr graduate for a long while, then most recently, a french doctor (doctors and french girls seem to like me for some strange reason!). I was friendly with the PUA teacher on my second bootcamp, held here in my local country, ended up interning for him and attending all sorts of 'Seduction Conventions' where I saw the best and worst of the people that the 'seduction industry' have to offer. Hilarious stuff too. One guy teaching a course was a retired accountant who dyed his hair purple, put out porn dvds with 'hypnotherapy' ambient subcommands embedded into the stereo mix .... Another was a 17 year old kid that brought his girlfriend over, as part of his powerpoint exhibit, to show the whole crowd what success he was having with his own patented system. It sounds funny, and kind of pathetic - but I'm not going to judge. The audience, me, I was pathetic too. A range of 18 to 70 year old men (that's right, senior citizens not getting any were here too) that were being sold the world on 'how to interrupt 4 sets and get that model'. And all the people in that audience, i thought, might get more value from a big man hug, a raisin oatmeal biscuit with warm milk, and a friendly counselling session from that kind of mythical hairy chested uncle that other families have that is a registered pants-man with moustache and bear-fighting history etc.

Anyhow, I'm happy, I'm now now longer .... well ... a virgin, I'm semi-competent with girls, having had a few flings, and a few gfs, and actually have a dating life that looks after itself. If I could describe the whole process, it was a journey, and more than anything kind of a 'how can others know you, if you don't even know yourself' kind of thing .... that is what I would have said to myself back then. And that is ... to sum up, why I liked the book. It asks you to be honest with yourself, and it prompts some self-development. Anyhow, be careful out there. People can get stuck ... I know people stuck in total mindgames about this 'game', who instead of working on themselves, walk around with a whole new set of ideas that have not given them the results they wanted. I think this guy wrote a good book, for beginners and for intermediates ... with some cool insights ... so I am going out of my way to write him a good review.

I've been struggling in my dating life lately so I wanted some tips not only in dating but understanding how women's brain work. So I found this novel and it changed my view! Def recommend this novel! The other day I started talking to a girl that i matched on tinder and i used the power of honesty told her straight that i think you are cool we should hang out and boom! date the next night!

I've read a bit on this topic. Not that I needed the help, of course, but for academic purposes. To see what mere mortals without supermodels stalking them were doing. ;)

A large percentage of the literature for men about relationships, to be honest, is either useless or damaging. If you are frustrated with your success with women, work hard to improve, and achieve success through experimentation, apparently you can do it in a whole bunch of different ways. Some of them involve still being fairly bitter and angry.

This book seems to explain much of that, caution you on the available traps, and attempt to give you the tools to fix parts of the problems. He doesn't cover EVERYTHING. Noone does. Noone could. But he attempts to build a framework within which you can be, "Your best self," as other authors put it. A series of basic personal goals that will make you more attractive; partially by helping you define what you want out of your own life and your interactions with other people.

As the other reviewer says, there are a few grammar, spelling, and homonym problems in the text. This is true of almost every book ever published.

Single greatest book I've ever read on the subject of men, women, their interactions, how to interpret it all, and how to shape it all.

I sincerely... SINCERELY... urge you to get this book. He covers so many bases you'll wonder just how many games of baseball are going on at the same time. It's nuts the things I'm learning that I didn't somehow know [blind spot, much?] or wasn't aware I was doing wrong/not doing at all.

Get it get it get it get it get it.

I've read about a half of the book, it's a good book, but i can already tell something about it...

This book, like many others will just make confusion into your mind, it tells you from the start than no one in the world as found out exactly what woman are attracted to. Unfortunately i can tell that's not true, just read "what women want, and how to give it to them" and you will find out exactly what women are attracted to, explained in an unbelievably clear way that will probably blow out your mind.

So if you read this book after reading "What women want" you will immediatly find that mark has just a part of the complete wiew, making up a very good but still incomplete blueprint.
I recommend you to read this this book only if you are already good with women, then it gives you an interesting prospective, but it's just a prospective, becouse i assume that anyone who is already good with woman knows what to do with his life.

Reading this book when you already know what woman want will be frustrating, becouse you already know something the author didn't grasp so well, or probably did, but can't explain to you in a clear simple way.

I've finished the book and my opinion is worst.
Mark tells you from the start to leave all the pua things and the fix rules aside, and then he writes 300 pages of rules...
The pick up artist lines and "things" are what made mark who he is now, and probably are more useful for the beginner than marks book.
To me the book is full of common places and really unuseful rules, all put together with not much order or sense. The book shouldn't be titled "attract woman through honesty" but "how mark manson is, how mark manson thinks, how mark manson wants you to be with women".
I think there are a lot of better books out there, and probably even the old pua books are better than this.

I'll be brief: the author is not the best writer. He is repetitive (probably intentionally) and the book is littered with grammar and spelling errors, which doesn't sit well with me when a writer is relaying advice. The underling theme is to allow yourself to be vulnerable in all situations, accept that rejection in those situations is always for the best, and ultimately there will be women who enjoy the authentic you so you shouldn't conform to what you think will "work" with the ladies.

I also couldn't help but be disturbed by some of the language used. The author seems a bit of a creep, which made taking his advice even less pleasant. However, I do agree with the message about vulnerability being crucial to creating an authentic connection with women, so 3 stars it is.

Fundamentally, "Models: Attract Women Through Honesty" has an impressive number of thought-provoking ideas to merit a purchase.
As a convenient rating devcie, I will deduct 1/2 a "star" for each statement I feel to be based on a personal anecdote but which is conveyed in a rigid, dogmatic way as some law of nature. In it's 286 pages, some elementary arithmetic would suggest I came across 20 such statements.

By way of example:

"If the tells you she's not interested, move on."

Research in evolutionary biology has demonstrated that we are hardwired to respond to everyone we meet in one of four ways: as a potential ally, a potential threat, a potential sex partner, or with indifference. The "default" response is indifference which, in time--sometimes over a protracted period of time or instantly, indifference turns to a perception of threat or affiliation. One can only guess at the number of genuinely good relationships that would have died stillborn had this dictum been rigidly adhered to.

A second dogmatic tenant of Manson's, not surprisingly, concerns itself with the bane of the pick up artist's existence: the dreaded "friend zone". This, for those unfamiliar with the concept, essentially states as a veritable law of nature that if a woman likes you as a friend, the chances of her feelings escalating to sexual attraction are about as likely as hitting powerball.

"A man is either a friend or sexual partner...rarely both."

Again, research would suggest this is not the case: (As reported in the U.K.'s Telegraph):

"In a poll conducted for the women's website handbag.com, 83% of female participants believed that a purely platonic friendship could exist between men and women. But, when probed further, one third said they secretly lusted after their male friends. It seems that physical attraction is often a by-product of a cemented companionship."

"It seems physical attraction is often a by-product of a cemented companionship." One-third of women involved in a "platonic" friendship had sexual feelings for their male friends! THAT is not the definition of "rare". Additional research by match.com of more than 1,450 of it's members revealed that 62% that 899 had a platonic friendship cross the line to become a sexual relationship.

Manson compounds his error by, on the basis of anecdote, suggesting that it NEVER happens that a woman suddenly looks at a friend and realizes the perfect man had been in her life all along but that she was blind to him.

Again from the Telegraph:

"... I think Simon was starting to get under my skin. I'd go on dates with other men and find myself thinking about him, and once I joked that we should get together. We were sitting on the bed in his parents' spare room when he kissed me for the first time. All day I couldn't stop thinking what an amazing person this quiet man had become."

And, again:

'From the word go I thought he was a lovely person. He really wasn't my usual type. We became good friends. I loved the fact that he rarely judged me and was always so caring. I suppose, looking back, that was his appeal. I was starting to want more.
And so it happened. Last Christmas, after more than a year of platonic friendship, Natasha and Marco went for a drink alone. They met for only an hour, but Natasha says she felt distinctly different towards him that evening. 'I desperately wanted him to kiss me,' she remembers. I knew then we'd crossed the line.'"

So much for never.

I could go on and on with Manson's mandates that are based on anecdote but that will be for potential readers to judge for themselves.

Tread lightly here: as with all books of this genre there are far too man "should nots" and "must nots". If you buy into all of it you might shut an initially "unresponsive woman" out of your life that could be an amazing partner, or you could "red pencil" a woman who says, "I just want to be friends" but who in the future could admit the day came when "you got under her skin" and she saw you as the man she wanted to marry.

One decent idea about honesty and being straightforward with your communication. The rest of the book is useless psychobabble that has largely been disproven. Stuff like "you're messed up because your mother didn't love you enough" and you need to "come to terms" and "cope" with your problems, rather than solve them.

I'm not going to go through a big review because this is really all you need to know. Mark is part of the new "Post-PUA fatigue" movement. It basically consists of advanced guys who have went through the classic PUA cycle (i.e. read "The Game", then "Mystery Method", then other books on PUA). Then once having graduated from AFC to PUA the author is now trying to separate himself from the whole PUA community and teachings and discard, with visceral disgust, the exact vehicle that has brought him his success. This is a very common phenomena with successful PUA gurus now looking for moral absolution. Unfortunately it will do nothing but help the AFC flop by guiding him on a facile course of "just being yourself" which will lead to total PUA failure.

The practical result of this phoney moral equivalency is the book offers a lot of advise that will be useless, and more likely counterproductive, to the AFC and new guy looking for success with woman. He suggests honesty and vulnerability and all these nebulous and amorphous concepts that will cause the AFC to absolutely fail in the field. It is very easy for the advanced PUA , like the author Mark, to say all this stuff as he already has internalized the proper mindset, attitude, frame, and techniques for success and executes them unconsciously now. However the methods he advises wont work for the AFC and will lead him to even more failure. The book is appealing to the unknowledgeable, would be PUA because it doesn't require any hard work or actual change.

What the AFC needs to know is DHV, confidence, and framing techniques; not this silly vulnerability, honesty, and "just being yourself" hackneyed nonsense. The author seems to forget these are the exact characteristics that have lead the AFC to be a failure with woman his entire life. Just because the author has "grown" past such trifling things he does the entire PUA community a complete disservice by advocating his touchy feely, specious, feel good, easy and honest approach which will firmly ensconce the would-be PUA into the perpetual AFC zone.

For helpful material look at "How To Become An Alpha Male" by John Alexander, Or "77 laws of success with woman" or "advanced dating" by David Deangelo or "Way of the Gun" by Gunwitch. Those are actual solid books with practical techniques. Discard this easy, non-helpful, silly book as an exercise in self-indulgent moral absolution.

Currently Im 36, moderately attractive with a decent career but I have been in a rut for awhile with women and felt increasingly depressed with the online dating prospects and realized that I needed a shake up. So I decided to go out more and approach women in the real world. But I was never the kind of guy to approach women, much less women I found attractive so I started reading up on tips and somehow stumbled across this book. This book explains the WHY and WHAT makes a confident man attractive in a pragmatic and scientific manner. Basically, a confident man doesn't appear "needy". A needy person appears unreliable and weak, unfit parent material. Scientifically speaking, humans have evolved to look for certain qualities in potential mates to find suitable partners to procreate with. The book teaches and demonstrates these qualities. Anyway there is far more information and Im not even scratching the surface, but it has made a subtle but profound change in my life, my confidence is soaring after only less than a week. Approaching women has now become more structured which in turn eases my anxiety and apprehension which makes me appear more confident thus more attractive. I can definitely say I got my money's worth. The writing is a bit quirky, but the information is solid so that more than makes up for it. I have alresdy begun recommending this book to my friends and will pass on the knowledge to my son.

The problem with most dating advice is that it tells you to act and perform, which doesn't work. This book doesn’t do that. Instead it changes your entire way of thinking on how to live your entire life, improving your success with women as a side effect. It’s a fairly straightforward read, in a good way. Lots of common myths (ex: nice guys finish last) are debunked. Our pop culture has conditioned us all to overthink and overcomplicate romance in recent years, so this author brings things back into a simple perspective for you.
Attracting women really isn’t hard. I’m sure that once you start applying what this book teaches, you’ll be surprised how positively women will start reacting to you.
There are many worse dating advice books out there that cost MUCH more than Models. At $15 it’s a bargain. If I ever lose my copy, I’d buy it again in a heartbeat.

I've read some of Mark Mansons blog posts and listened to him on a podcast for "art of charm." He has a lot of great things to say about life, love, and relationships but this book is not on par with his material today.

I thought the book was interesting and definitely different then a lot of the dating self help books for men. He also mentions one of my favorite books "No more mr. nice guy" too.

He sheds some light on some of the flawed ways of thinking that many guys get from reading PUA material. For example many guys believe that these lines they get from the internet are the reason for their success but never take into account the many other factors like body language or even the girls temperament that night which lead to the success.

I was expecting a lot more then what the book was though. He tells you how to meet and have sex with a lot of women... but is that really the solution to what we are looking for? If you aren't having luck with woman I'm sure your answer is yes and this book will be good for you. But if you were looking for something more along the lines of what Mark Manson is writing these days you will be let down.

I listened to the audio book and I would not recommend it. He would mess up when reading and just keep going. It definitely wasn't fluid and one of the worst audio book recordings I've listened to.

I got into pickup girls starting off with reading "the game" by neil strauss. At the time I was completely clueless and thought this was the only way to pickup girls by playing tricks but I was unwillingly to not be myself. I knew there had to be some way I could be myself and get girls. I went through another 2 years of various programs and books which did help me but I was not consistent and it was just me saying words, it was not from my core or who I was. Finally, I found models and it taught me a lesson that changed my life. Being an attractive man is not anything you say, it is who you are. Girls can take a look at you and see if you are attractive or not before you even open your mouth. They feel the energy immediately from your beliefs and sub-communications. This book is not a bunch of pickup lines or how to get good overnight. It is the beliefs you need that will permanently make you an attractive man so that what to say is not even a thought in your head. This is how to truly be yourself while having attractive beliefs and behaviors. I have read many books on attraction and this is by far #1 the best book ever written on how to become successful with women and just successful in general. If you want to get good with girls forget all the other BS techniques, save yourself years, and read this book. Thank you for this masterpiece Mark it had a huge impact.

There is literally a metric s*** ton of advice for men on the topic of attracting women, and I've read a good deal of it. 90% of it is either idealistic, pessimistic, manipulative, or harmful (to men and women) - in other words, complete garbage.

This book stands out from everything else in the field, because of it's honest (surprise) and practical approach to dating.

This book does NOT give a neat, perfectly packaged paradigm that handles every conceivable situation/issue within the world of dating/cold approach. And that's why it stands out from the rest of the material out there. He acknowledges the realities of dating.

A lot of guys who discover cold approach (myself included) think that, with practice, they will be able to romantically connect with most women out there, regardless of their demographics, age, body build, style, looks, income. Mark explains why this isn't true, and why you need to go through a lot of interactions in order to find someone who you connect with.

Mark correctly points out that a 45 year old hedge fund manager is going to be hard pressed to steal the heart of a 19 year old sorority girl, no matter how much "game" he has. They are in two completely different stages of life, and two completely different worlds. A lot of "cold approach/pickup" advice neglects this point.

Another point a lot of dating advice fails to consider is the importance of creating a lifestyle you enjoy and feel fulfilled by. This means having a sense of style, being in good shape, having good dietary/sleep habits, exposing yourself to new ideas/activities, and having an active social life, among other things. Mark addresses all of this and puts you on a path so that when you do actually meet a girl you like, you will be an interesting, multi dimensional person, and therefore be more interesting to her and likelier to relate to her.

A lot of men try to fill voids in their life with sex, or a relationship, when what they really need to do in order to live a more complete, happy life is to is develop themselves and their lives so that a girls is an ADDITION to their life - not the focal point of their life. Mark addresses this.

Mark covers all the bases, from how to feel confident to the best days of the week to set up a date (in general). It's the most complete guide on how to effectively date, and be the most attractive version of yourself that I have read yet (Although I also recommend "The Manual" by W. Anton).

My only criticism is that he doesn't include any information on overcoming deep seeded issues like social anxiety or sexual anxiety. A lot of people who need help with dating - and a lot of people in general (myself included again!) - also need help with other mental blocks that keep them from being successful with the opposite sex. More information on irrational beliefs/fears and overcoming them would have been helpful.

His writing style is simple, but engaging. I was already a firm proponent of being honest and vulnerable with women before reading the book, and I'm happy to see that this "philosophy" is picking up steam in the men's dating advice community.

Happy reading y'all :D

I have been in the seduction community for more than 9 years. I wish I had this book when I entered the seduction community - it would have probably saved me years of suffering.

Why is Mark Manson's book so great? Because it's basically his only "product" that you need. Other guru's usually have more than a few products. Manson is so simple to understand, and he is quite objective. If you're familiar with Aaron Sleazy and his work on 'debunking the seduction community', you will love Manson even more.

Unlike Aaron Sleazy, Manson doesn't go to the extreme of totally bashing cold approaching. He understands that cold approaching women does work, but your expectations shouldn't be too high since cold approaching is the hardest way to meet women.

Manson debunks many claims of the seduction community. He tells you that it's basically a numbers game and that you will never seduce most women. He does however stress the importance of handling the basics such as 1. Getting your own place and 2. Being employed. He also mentions the importance of good looks (grooming and presentation, not genetics) and having basic social skills.

Manson doesn't over-complicate things like most PUA's do. He says that the most important thing that you could get from his book is the importance of physical escalation. When you start escalating with women, you're going to come off as creepy sometimes. That is just a part of the process.

Whether you're a newbie or have been in the seduction community for a long time, Manson's book is essentially the only product you'll ever really need. He doesn't use typical PUA lingo and he's totally down to earth.

How do I know that Manson is not a scammer? Well, he doesn't have tons of 20-DVD products to sell. He talks from experience (his and others') instead of rehashing other products in the PUA market.

WARNING: If you're a newbie, this book might come across as "too simplistic" and "not highly motivational". If I was a newbie, I would have probably discarded his advice and this book. He doesn't promise you anything special actually (unlike many PUA gurus who make you think that you'll easily get the hottest women). He won't get you pumped up with dubious promises like other gurus in the PUA market. However, Manson does offer genuine help for anyone who's struggling with women.

NOTE: I purchased this title as an Audible recording, which was exceptionally low quality. The recording was done by Manson himself, and the audio quality is so sad that you can at times hear his phone buzzing with a text message on the table next to him. Manson was also prone to stuttering in the audiobook, which injured his credibility as a writer. If I were to judge the book based on the audiobook quality, it would receive 1-star.

OK, that said, this is one of the 'greats' of the genre of books that seeks to reclaim a standard script for masculinity in the post-feminist era. Manson is a cautious and persuasive thinker who genuinely respects his fellow wo/man and is simply seeking to give men the tools to have fulfilling relationships. I would put this book next to Tucker Max's 'Mate' somewhere on the top-shelf of men's dating literature.

Note that this isn't properly a 'pick-up' book. The key energy behind 'Models' is expended improving the male reader to better leverage his personality and skills so that he has more luck with money. It's not about manipulating women based on scripted notions of male/female interaction.

-Ryan Mease

I recommend this book often.

It is a knife and can be used for good or for dishonest intentions. This book really helped me focus on building relationships, being honest and genuine about myself to women. Very thankful for this book.

This book started out with good intentions and a positive philosophy, which was change your narrative so that you can improve your confidence and be more accurate in what you want and how to gravitate toward it, but later on in the book during what I expected to be the actionable stage, the book devolved into pointing out how ineffective other dating strategies were, reiterating the philosophy mentioned in the intro section of the book, and offering vague, general anecdotes about the author's own past conquests.

He's right that there aren't magic pick up lines or hand gestures that make you more attractive and increase your success rate with women, but I expected a lot more concrete examples of ways to improve confidence, body language, conversational prowess, and everything the author claims are the pillars of improving your attractiveness. The second 2/3 of the book just kinda petered out and got repetitive and too philosophical.

it's okay and may be work. i becoame uncomfortable with the fact that I would have to lie to women to get in their pants. Maybe I'm old fashioned. but I have never believed in lying to women to get in their pants.

It really tells you to be your true your self in an unapologetic way and explains how many behaviors men do can make an illusion of non-neediness but is in fact actually needy. He talks about the "three fundamentals" by the way only of them is "game".

One thing I disagree with is when he talked about finding a girl that "will make you happy" I don't to find a girl that will make me happy I want to be happy and then find a girl to continue to be happy with together.

He did talk about not being needy though so I may have misunderstood his intention behind that statement. If you are struggling with neediness I would recommend getting this book http://www.the store.com/Feeling-Good-New-Mood-Therapy-ebook/dp/B009UW5X4C/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1390297421&sr=1-4&keywords=cbt

Many needy people have deep underlying issues from past events (being bullied growing up fatherless bad childhoods...)
and that book I recommend not only because it's cheap but it helps many people. I would say that book would help you get rid your neediness better than "Models: Attract Women" But get both of the books... Trust me!

This young author did something pretty amazing here. He wrote one of the best carrot on a string books I've ever read in my life.

To explain what I mean further, men love women and that is no secret. Not all men love leading an attractive lifestyle though. Not all men enjoy physical exercise, reading, eating right, becoming emotionally aware, or many of the other things this "guide to attracting women" teaches you you must do in order to be an attractive man. A lot of guys want easy solutions. This book explains that there are no easy solutions. I'd like to personally thank the author for laying that fact down for everyone. I hope any guys that reads this review takes one thing away from it, that there are no easy solutions and hard work is fundamental in success with your love life. This book will help you focus that hard work in ways that equal success.

A lot of books these days will sell you a shortcut method. The only shortcuts that might work don't work for very long. If you want to be an attractive man you have to work hard on yourself and get rid of a shortcut mentality completely. Women can tell when you throw a band aid over a shotgun wound that you are bleeding all over the place and that is all a lot of the information out there today is.

Another great thing about this book is it's (sadly) novel advice about vulnerability, connection, and emotional awareness. This book does a better job than any of the other men's dating advice I've read in the past 2 years explaining the rolls these things have in our growth and development as men and how working on this area of yourself will improve your love life drastically.

I really enjoyed the section on "How to be Fascinating" as well as the one on "Demographics". The polarizing section taught me a lot quickly too.

Overall I give this book 5 stars. It could have been a little shorter but considering how much bullcrap is out there that guys are reading to get girls it's not a big deal at all because it isn't a huge book full of crap. It's a huge book full of great information to teach you how to become an attractive man, relate and interact with women you find attractive, and have healthy relationships with them (as well as yourself). If the author is guilty of anything it's putting too much great information into one book and not charging you for sections of knowledge instead.

I can't wait to see what other books the author comes out with next as this seems to be his first.

If you are a guy that is having trouble with his love life, read this book immediately. Don't buy 20 different books and join a pickup lair and watch a bunch of Youtube videos. Read this book first. Evaluate where you stand as an attractive man first and understand wherever you are you can improve. It's a long road from where you are but if you start walking... no running down it, you will start to see some great results in your life soon.

Since a PUA club started in my home town a few years ago, I've seldom been able to go shopping or go to the gym without an encounter with some creepy guy who will not hear "no, not interested" until I'm in a combat stance yelling at him. So recently I started reading a number of books I thought they might have read to see if they all boil down to "keep bullying her until she either gives in or you're somewhere you can rape her".

This book is the one that DOESN'T and most of it, honestly, felt like good advice to me - in fact, I took some of it because the advice on conversation and social circles is relevant to all people in all circumstances.

I think the key to it is that this book is about ATTRACTING people, not MAKING them sleep with you. It's how to show off the qualities you already have that they will be attracted to, rather than faking a behaviour, and how to find circumstances where you're going to be relaxed and among people you like and who will like you. It's natural and realistic (it still oversimplifies people a bit, but at least it doesn't turn women into aliens who should be punishment-fucked like so many other dating guides) and safe and fun.

Follow the advice in here and it seems to me that you'll wind up spending a great deal with enjoyable time with people you genuinely like and who are thrilled to be spending that time with you. I would definitely go for a guy in my interest circles who acted like this if I hadn't already met one :)

This book helped me connect the dots between my understandings in other aspects of life. Seeing dating as an economy is a fundamental paradigm shift that too often gets overlooked by men and women in the dating scene. Seeing dating as the economy, with niches, fits perfectly in to sustainable landscape design (Permaculture), how we should look for hunt for jobs ("What Color is Your Parachute?"), and most other societal models. Mark Manson communicates the idea of niches very clearly, so that anyone can easily understand the important paradigm shift that must be made in order to have satisfying relationships.

Aside from the theory, he offers concrete steps that someone can take in order to improve. These concrete steps are integrated, sustainable, and provide as a template that one can use to create change within their own personal context.

The writing style has a few grammatical errors, and while it's not ideal, it doesn't detract from the quality of the ideas and concepts that Mark Manson presents. Overall, this book is a highly recommendable read, and should be added to the library of any person seeking to create a balanced, healthy, and vibrant lifestyle.

This book was a sobering look at the most rational reality that most men secretly know and keep locked inside. The problem, as Mark asserts, is that society has changed in an unhealthy way where we've learned unhealthy behaviors that keep relationships from building. Usually this includes denying rational reality.

I read Models concurrently with Emotional Intelligence 2.0 and found Models to be a more straightforward look at the impacts of behaviors and thought processes that need changing. Both have been a fascinating look inward at personal relationships, personal habits, and understanding motivations.

While I can't say I've implemented everything perfect (this would take months..I've read the book in just shy of 2 weeks), the parts I have implemented have seen results.

For those on the fence, I ask the parting question in the epilogue chapter: What if it was a gift? The whole book is about taking the gift of life and taking chances-- results come from action.

UPDATE: This book is LOADED with wrong, bad, and unhelpful advice.

Here's just ONE example of dozens. He states that the purpose of rejection is to keep 2 people apart that don't belong together. Not exactly true or empowering for that matter. The purpose of rejection is to LEARN what doesn't work, so you can do what does work next time.

Also, this is a book primarily focused on relationships, not on attraction.

There's a lot of negatives about this book which will follow.

I think the title is misleading and wrong given the focus of the book. A better title would be Act yourself. And I would lose the bit about models, because that is just hype and not helping anything.

My biggest complaint with the book is his distortion and bashing of PUA ideas. I will explain later.

In any case, he is trying to talk about seduction in terms of science. Sorry, but attraction isn't scientific.

However, he is very wrong about there NOT being a proven model of attraction.

If you study those who know what they are doing it's pretty darn easy to formulate a model that works.

Eben Pagan has articulated quite well a model of attraction in his book on attraction.

This models book is pretty weak as far as having any usable information.

There's also some information that's just plain wrong about PUA. He's got a very distorted view of it. He tries to say it doesn't work, when that's simply not true. I've seen it work many many times. In many many situations.

For example he states that pick up lines don't work. Not at all true. Lines give you something to say, a default if you will, so that you actually talk to the girl instead of sitting there doing nothing. Lines can fail just like anything else. But when delivered well with good tonality and body language, they can be very effective. I spent one day using only one fantastically crafted line from ross jeffries about 10 years ago, and it worked amazingly well.

He also talks about some girl saying he wasn't acting normal when he did pickup lines, and that when he acted normal he did better. Duh! Nobody every said you weren't supposed to act normal. That's the whole point. Use the material within the context of being yourself. Apparently the author wasn't bright enough to figure that out.

He also says that if you are interested in learning PUA theory that makes you needy. What complete garbage. Learning more about ANY skill set is valuable. Yes, there is certainly some stuff that's worthless (this book for example) But that doesn't mean you should ignore it all. I have found most of what I learned to be very useful. Learning about social theory, and how to be a more attractive male, and female psychology...all those things have helped me become better with women.

This author has a very misguided understanding of PUA in general, or else he is purposely trying to spread misinformation.

Finally, the premise of this book is really messed up. The idea that honesty has anything to do with attraction is completely false. They are two entirely separate things. Honesty is a character trait. Attraction is an emotion (actual a nominalization or process word, but I'm simplifying it so most can understand my point)

My point? The premise of the title makes no sense what so ever, because one does not cause the other.

If you want to be honest, fine...but that's not going to help or hinder attracting women.

On the other hand, if he meant to say DIRECT...that can have an impact on attraction. But still a lot less affect than the author would have you believe.

What DOES have a big impact on attraction?

Dominance, Confidence, Humor, Non-neediness, strong male energy, to name just a few.

The parts of the book that talk about status, neediness, and vulnerability are quite useful. It's for those reasons that I would buy the book. It's also written in a non-hyped way, despite the hypey title.

Honesty? Not so much.

This book has potential. However, Before you guys go gaga over any woman, please do yourself a favor and read Venus: The Dark Side Apr 30, 2008 by Roy Sheppard and Mary T Cleary. Then take a look at the list and fill it in and have the lady fill it in.
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Being vs doing. This book vs other PUA books. Be a man who dares to state and show who he is and what he likes, vs do this or that. In the end, it's once again about preference and not about absolute truth. This could be your type of book, or the more doing-oriented PUA books are more your kind of book. This book is more long-term improvement in attraction (other PUA-books are generally more short-term). The big advantage of this type of book, is that it makes you not able to run out of material. The other PUA books can make you have a short time where you really show an incredible personality. But the way you do one thing, is how you do all things. So if you can perform (as the author calls it) a short amount of incredible charisma, likability, social skills,.., you will also be able to show them in the long-term. BUT there is one great advantage of this book, it shows you the way to real confidence. Not the confidence you get from being good at something, but the confidence you get because you truelly know your worth and can base actions on that fact. The book also shows you a little bit about relationship dynamics, how you get stuck with the type of women that tends to make you unhappy for one or another reason. It also shows how you can attract other women by adapting your beliefs about yourself or other people. And it is not repetitive in most ways. It cuts right trough the chase, in other words very direct and does not gives a whole array of examples. You have to read the pages and let the material really sink in because otherwise it goes trough your mind too fast to really understand what it is saying.
And btw, yes this means I disagree with the 2nd most popular reviewer who says it is not a book whereby you can learn to score chicks. It is. He just doesn't see how the information in the book could work, no disrespect. But I understood and applied it, and I base my opinion on that experience.

That being said about the 'vs other PUA books', it is a fact that you can add it to your knowledge and application of the other type of PUA books. So the 'vs' actually doesn't matter, just take charge of your world by reading some material of both kind of books. That's what I woud say if you were to ask me what the right action is based on my opinion.

And if you haven't noticed, this book is nr 1 in my opinion.

If you ever want to know why you are not getting first or 2nd dates, or just being stuck being friendzoned, read this book. It’s evrything you already know/ think you know but explains why, and how to understand your role as a man. Very well written, would recommend to anyone.

Didn't like the fact that he is trying to tell you something is wrong with me. Practically shoving it down your throat. His problem is your problem. It got dull after the first 5 pages.. It went on the self.

This isn't a pickup book this is life advice. I'm gay and this book still helped me. It's about attracting people by being an emotionally secure and honest person. You're not going to learn about manipulating people or anything unethical like so many other pick-up books.

Personally I come from a background of having used Pickup Theory and Dating Advice to improve my dating life and I've done so successfully. Needless to say I know from personal experience what works and what turns out to be utter bull. I don't even have to read any of this stuff anymore, but from time to time, if a new book comes out I still enjoy reading. I do it to see what new stuff the book brings to the table (which is often not much new under the sun) and it always gives you a good flow of energy to continue to work on yourself and such.

But this book is something totally different that what I've seen coming across for a while.
I'd describe the book as: very good for an understanding of the basics of how attraction works, very mature, evolved and shedding a crystal clear light upon how dating and pickup advice affects men today. For example Mark clears up the issues around certain pickup advice being useless since a lot of it disregards differences in demographics, people, lifestyles, values etc (even though he sometimes uses extreme examples to get his point across, I still understand the essence of what he tries to convey). It will keep a lot of men from getting frustrated as a lot of beginners tend to implement pick up stuff on the wrong people in the wrong places with the wrong intentions and with wrong ways of measuring succes or growth and thus end up with more frustration than ever.

This book then continues by showing a quality roadmap to improve your lifestyle, you anxiety or social disconnectedness and then your communication skills. Mark gives theory and then practical guidelines It all comes together really good and is very coherent. His casual writing style makes the book very accessible for you to read. I flipped through the pages easily for hours since this was such a pleasant reading experience. Indeed there are a lot of grammar errors throughout the book but that doesn't outweigh the quality of advice given in Models for one bit.

Mark's book clears up a lot of issues men encounter when trying to get better with women (with quiet hilarious examples). It disenchants you from all kinds of pickup taboos. It's is very authentic and comes back to the undeniable truth that you have to develop yourself as a man in order to attract quality women. It is about honest communication and expressing yourself freely instead of using countless gimmicks (even though some of them are very effective and may work in the framework of honest communication, which he explains all throughout the book). Models provides a very good roadmap for developing both your inner gamer as well as cultivating specific necessary skills needed to get results with women quickly. I'd say try acting on the plan that he provides in here for a while before you consider taking a Pickup Bootcamp. I've been on two of those and even though I'm not gonna disclose wether you'll really benefit from those or not, I can say that you really want to find out if you need something like a bootcamp before spending so much money. I think this book if a great way to find this out for yourself.

I think this book is a GEM for any man dedicated to improving his love live. And I firmly believe this book will help out a lot of men who are already trying to implement dating advice but are struggling with it.
And I'm convinced that Mark's book brings a fresh breath of air in the evolution of pickup material and is FAR more realistic than a lot of advice out there.

I'm no friend nor contact of Mark, but when I appreciate something that I know works and has been put together with heart, authentic intentions and real expertise, then I support it so that it can do a lot of good for it's intended purpose.

The book describes exactly what the contemporary gentleman needs to know and have in his life in order to be the successful person he ascribes to be! I highly recommend it the one and only book you need to read in the dating industry!

Here is one pick-up book that surely stands out. Usually pick-up advice books will tell you to give "flowery" remarks to the women you are interested in order to get their attention, this book tells you to get up, stand for what you are and be uniquely you. Being true to yourself is really the right thing to do, and this book has given justice to that statement. Attracting women in this way makes the book I read Kamasutra Positions: Stop Searching and Improve Your Sex Life more helpful in building your reputation as a "complete package" guy.

I really like this book. One of the best including "No more Mr. Nice Guy" and "Gorilla Mindset". Only one problem with this book as well as with "Gorilla Mindset" - they are narrated by the authors ( Audible Audio Edition). It would be just great if the authors use a professional narrator.

my letter to the author:

Hi Mark,
I just finished reading your book and I was amazed by how you manage to desmystify pickup. I specially appreciated that you mention the importance of therapy to be able to become more vunerable with girls. I've read a lot about pickup since I was 18 (I'm 23 now) but I never managed to acctualy make use of any of the stuff I read because everything was confusing and mystified (abundant usage of acronyms for instance). You helped me a lot when you said that the fear of talking to a girl for the first time is not something that is going away and hence I shouldn't try to avoid it. You also helped me perceive that I need to act on my desires and express my sexuality to the girl.

I've been going to cognitive therapy for about a year now and while I don't have a girlfriend yet, I'm happy that I'm making progress (very slowly though). My therapist gave me a document called "a client's guide to schema therapy" that I think would help a lot of people relutant to go to therapy because I believe many would identify with some of the schemas showed there. It can be found through google. This is my suggestion.

To me, you are to pickup as Sócrates is to philosophy, there is pre-mansonian pickup and there is pós-mansonian pickup.

Side note: I believe most guys who've read a lot about pickup will stop reading my review when I said I don't have a girlfriend. To those I simply ask: "am I being vunerable?"

This book gives no shortcuts to attract women. If you want fast and shallow solutions, 'Models' is not going to help. The book is centered in becoming a better person, so therefore you will attract women (and more good things) into your life. As I said, the path that teaches the author for improving oneself, is hard, but it's worth it.

Having been a regular reader of Mark's blog for some time, I wasn't sure that he had much left to write about dating and women. So I was more than pleasantly surprised to discover that Models goes well beyond what he discusses on his blog. It's as comprehensive a guide as you could ask for on the practicalities, covering from when (and how) you first meet a woman, all the way to when you get in a relationship (whatever nature it may be). In my mind though, the most important aspect of this book is the mindsets and attitudes he advocates. Honestly expressing yourself in an attractive way, truly understanding and connecting with women, and setting up your dating life to make you as happy as possible are all central to this book's philosophy. What Mark understands is that meaningful encounters and relationships, from a one night stand to a lifelong partnership, are best achieved by seeing male to female relations as mutually beneficial. In his eyes, dating is a game to be played by men and women who want to give each other amazing and fulfilling experiences, as well achieving this themselves. I honestly don't know how a man could read this book and not improve his life in some way from it. Models is, without a doubt in my mind, a necessity for the modern man.

I have seen, heard and read quite a bit of dating advice for men, and this book has the best advice for men out there.

What I love about Models is its honesty. Both the author's honesty to the reader, as well as the advice for the reader to act honestly. Mark Manson tells you what you need to hear. He promotes a healthy and balanced perspective. There's no hype, no BS, no sweet talking.

No other book is so thorough and intelligent with its advice about what attracts women, how to become an attractive man, and the pitfalls to look out for on your road to self-development.

I too once thought that the key to a successful dating life was using the right techniques and lines. It wasn't!
After implementing the advice from Models everything has changed. In stead of trying to manipulate women, I create genuine connections with awesome women by being myself. I have more women in my life than ever, and the relationships I have are very fulfilling.

It turns out that it really is about who you are, not about who you pretend to be. Who would've thought? And this book teaches you how to become that attractive man like no other.

Most stuff in this Book I already knew. So alI skimmed through it fairly quickly, I was expecting, not a bunch of concepts and ideas. He tells you at one point, 'Comminicate honestly' but he doesn't teach you HOW. Same with vulnerability, tells you to be vulnerable, but doesn't Even tell you that you have to accept whatever feelings comes up. I really learned nothing from this book but that rejection is going to happen alot, but he doesn't tell you to go out and keep trying despite rejection.

I know everybody rated it 5 stars, probably alot of people that know him, but Im not here to gibe it 5*, I don't even know these people or their results. All I know Is I learned very little from this book, it seems like pure mental mast****** with some style tips. And don't come bashing me because your a kiss a&&& and you Don't agree with my opinion. I have my own opinions.

Point blank, this book tells you to be honest, but it doesn't tell you that you should actually walk up, or talk to a girl, express yourself honestly to her and be who you are, f*** if she likes it or not. That's what this whole book took 3 hundred something pages to beat around the bush. 'DONT HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF INVESTMENT IN WOMEN' HOW? How do you not have that?. And then he says not to act aloof or indifferent. Puh that makes no sense. Some bashing I am doing I know but your, or actually IM better off reading Radical Honesty, as it actually gets to the point and doesn't bulls*** its readers with a bunch of Good sounding fluff talk..all fluff no action, no action, no a** simple as that. Im definitely sending this back to whoever it came from.

I've spent a lot of time reading seduction material and have been seeing multiple girls at a time for the past year with up front honesty. Mark's book is a refreshing change, telling it how it is and giving fantastic advice. I particularly enjoyed the first 3 chapters and have been recommending it to the guys I mentor. Highly recommend.

The only reason I gave this 4 stars and not 5, was because the print was tiny, causing me to have to use a magnifying glass to read it without eyestrain. Hopefully, any second edition will rectify this.

suckered. Bought as it was recco'd off reddit. I kind of understand where it is coming from, PUA shoves guys into approaching 10, 100, 1000 times- practice makes perfect, Mark is blank, blank, blank actually meet a woman then be super vulnerable with her to act as a ego tempering process.

its not well written and the audio version sucks- needs a new narrator.

28% in and way farther than where I should have stopped. It also assumes there is a perfect sect of western woman out there- and unlike men are completely unaffected and perfect flowers of womanly femininity. BUT as men we have to work our asses off with self help books and have monumental s* mountains to move- its kind of like the no fap thing were men loose power thru orgasm and woman can never read books and f* themselves all day and they are great.

I don't buy it.

Good book. Good insight. Lots of solid info. But c'mon man... you didn't even proofread it. There are spelling and grammatical errors on nearly every page and in some places words are obviously left out. It wouldn't pass in a high school English class and reading it is at times painful because of all the errors. Not professional quality, but still good info.

Let me give you a brief synopsis:

Chapter 1: Don't be needy
Chapter 2: Don't be needy
Chapter 3: Don't be needy
...
Chapter 9: Don't be needy (this is about where I gave up)

Unfortunately, I bought the audible version of the book as well. Which sounds like the author took the liberty of sniffling into his laptop's microphone himself after a bad run-in with the flu. You know that intense urge you sometimes get to blow your nose whenever you're around someone who's leaking profusely from the nostrils? Imagine 7 hours of that crap. Poor production.

Now to the heart of the matter. I absolutely agree with the author's philosophy. You just gotta be yourself. But this book doesn't go into any details regarding social dynamics in which you can utilize to not only learn how to be yourself, but build yourself into a better version of yourself is well. In fact, this guy doesn't give you any information/technique whatsoever. If your goal is self-actualization, and not just being told "You can do it! Just don't be needy!" from some dude holding pom poms and doing high-kicks from the sidelines, then I'd personally recommend something else.

What you SHOULD read:
1. The Natural by Richard LaRuina is by FAR the best read on the subject at the moment. This guy has it broken down to science for you, has some amazing exercises for building your inner game as well as your outer game, and he's got some amazing vids on youtube to help you out on your journey to becoming your ideal form of yourself.
2. The Mystery Method - Mystery is one of the founding father's of pickup artistry. I've got the audio version which I listened to twice now. This book contains a wealth of knowledge.

Anyway, I hope this review offers sound advice to whomever reads this.

SO repetitive. Neediness and vulnerability are mentioned WAY over 1,000 times each.
Brene Brown, the vulnerability researchers, talks about vulnerability but doesn't mention the word 10 times a sentence.

I would not buy this book. I've read so many better books, and none of them were 'short-term skills' as Mark doesn't go for. Mark writes about improving yourself, which many other books are SO much more better for this type of genre.

Dating is dating, and it is short-term. This book revolves around dating, which is short-term. This book should be a self-help book, not so much a relationship or dating book.

It's okay, but I definitely won't go crazy. I found the book "How to read a book" 150 times more powerful than this one.

I bought the audio version of this book. I want my money back. This is the driest book I've experienced in a very long times. The author is actually giving advice on how to read reviews on IMDB. LOL WTF. Seriously? I should learn how to read reviews? I stopped listening here. I should've stopped a long time ago because I will never get the time back I wasted on this stupid audiobook. It's very hard getting through the audio. It's absolutely horrible and distracting in its own right.

Don't waste your money on this book.
I'm seriously amazed at these reviews.
If you really want to learn about girls
get Mystery method, laid, or the pick up artist.

all way better than this crap book. not even published
by a real publishing firm.

Seriously don't waste your money.

Paul Wuersig recommended this book to me, by way of saying it would help me 'understand attractive women'.

What's to understand? In Dallas models are pretentious conservative idiots, and in Austin they are pretentious liberal idiots. The only difference is how they rationalize their selfishness. And frankly I think that honesty only attracts them in the best of circumstances. If 'the truth' is anything less than rainbows and sunshine, they run screaming from it, like the cowards they truly are.

That's my honest opinion and I don't think it's very attractive. But there it is.

Furthermore it angers me that anyone would assume that I am dishonest just because my background isn't as whitebread as theirs.

Austin is a town where people go 'yeah, sure', with a roll of their eyes, if your stories are too interesting. They have this suburban false consensus which causes them to believe that everyone grew up in a stable, stereotypical American household, and anyone who claims otherwise is only attempting to make themselves appear more interesting for conversational purposes.

Finally, this book, as well as many of my more brainless former friends, posits that 'being yourself' is the key to success... But normies will never understand that, for many, being themselves is illegal, and will entail persecution. To a revolutionary or religious martyr, staying true to oneself will often entail starvation, torture, marginalization, and early death. This is not to say that the innovative person would be any happier going with the herd. But obsessive conformists will never understand that.

Telling someone to be themselves is really condescending advice. Because, for one thing, you are implying that they haven't been themselves all along. Which may be totally your misperception. And that's a common thing among suburbanites. They refuse to believe that there are people out there who had it rougher than them, or simply made unorthodox choices, and as a result led more interesting lives.
For another thing, being yourself can easily get you locked up or otherwise persecuted, especially if you are truly an abnormal person at heart. For those poor mutants, the best advice you can give them is how to lead a double life, and how to find the underground niche that will accept them for who they are.

Okay boys, as a woman having read this; I hate the whole idea here. Being honest isn't the same as being a great guy. It's IS The same as being 'the nice guy who never gets any'.
I think a 'nice guy' wrote this book.
Honesty? Yeah, we ladies LOVE that IF what you're being honest about is that you have a great personality, positive life goals, and a great, forward moving life to back it all up.
But we also value mystery, strength, passion, power, and yes, money. We are not gold-diggers. But we like to know you're a viable man in the real world, not someone who still needs mama's help to survive.
Sorry. But I feel like this books should be titled 'the unattractive, lazy, self-pitying guy's guide to being so nice that it guilts women in to being with him'.
In stead of this, invest in some books on sales/management/leadership communication. That will get you much farther.